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Proposition 8 Battle Rages (and Sings) On

Megan Baker

Posted: Dec 3rd 2008 11:04AM

Filed under: Politics, St. John Fisher College

Leaders of the California Legislature and members of its gay and lesbian caucus are introducing measures that support the repeal of Proposition 8, a constitutional ban on gay marriage that was passed by a small margin on Nov. 4.

"While the resolutions have no force of law, they would put the state's lawmakers on record in support of legal arguments, made by gay rights activists and officials from San Francisco and several other cities, that the measure was a revision of the state Constitution and not a simple amendment."

So far, 44 state lawmakers have signed on with the resolution. Legal experts however say that the resolutions are unlikely to sway the justices.

There is no sign of giving up, however. Gay rights leaders plan to build a $1 million "war-chest" to defend any judge that is threatened with recall for ruling in favor gay marriage. They also have discussed plans to put a new gay marriage question before voters, which could happen as soon as 2010.

In the meantime, a bunch of celebrities got together to debate the Prop 8 decision in a fun way.

Take their argument that Jesus would be all about gay marriage for what you will. And would it actually help save the economy? Hard to say. But boy is it catchy!

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p j hurley

11:44AM 11:44AM Dec 4th 2008

Why will people not leave this issue alone. Voters of California have spoken. Anyone can go to Mass. to marry the same sex.

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J.M.

11:29PM 11:29PM Dec 4th 2008

Webster's dictionary quote: MARRIAGE: the legal union of husband and wife;the ceremony, civil or religious, by which two people of OPPOSITE sex become husband and wife.
God's word tells us to "Love on another" it's a commandant not a suggestion, hate the sin, but love the person. I pray the Lord reveals the necessity for change, repentance and offers to opened eyes and ears the need for a Savior to cleanse them and set them free. To anyone who doesn't believe, I've had far too much happen NOT TO believe. But, for sake of argument, to those of unbelief, what if that belief is wrong? Either way, I'd rather risk being wrong for the Lord than to be wrong through unbelief and spending eternity in the most horrible place imaginable.
If you; have a Bible I invite you to read
Revelation 22:14,15.
This was a union created by Him to protect the family,
father, mother and child.
Medical science is very good, but no matter how they try, they may "mask" one sex for another through drugs and surgery but they can't change the DNA. I could sit in my garage for a week but that wouldn't make me a car. I judge no one but pray that all will know the marvelous truth.

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Dominic

9:43PM 9:43PM Dec 6th 2008

Homosexuals confuse love for physical sex? We are not animals with mere basic instincts that must be met. Love is real- even for homosexuals. Im not sure i understand what you are talking about: indecent, vulgar? God put homosexuals alike on this earth, he created them, he created us- how can this be indecent and vulgar? Although, there are always exceptions to the rule-there are vulgar homosexuals. there are also vulgar heterosexuals, men, women, whites, blacks, browns, dogs, cats...etc. Im not sure i understand how accepting, respecting, "loving thy neighbor," and attempting to understand the world of homosexuality will destroy family values. Understanding groups and individuals in our world is at the heart of cultural diversity; hate, prejudice, discrimination, and ignorance is at the core of destroyed family values.

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p.g.

8:37AM 8:37AM Dec 8th 2008

one thing most people are forgetting is...

christians also voted to keep blacks from marrying white people...and they voted on that in many states. they cited beastiality laws, and quoted the bible "proving" god didnt want interracial marriage. thank god the Loving case forced all the states that "spoke" their opinion on interracial marriage, to legitimize interracial marriage.

the same is happening now...just now we choose the gays to be the target of our hate. meh, this game was played before, and we know the outcome. i just want to know how many of you in 20 years will admit to your children that you were the backwards hillbillies who voted against gay marriage... or will you lie to look like a civilized human in front of your child while they quizically look up at you wondering how our country could have been so backwards...it happens now with the racial marriage thing, it will happen with the gay marriage thing.

meh, hillbillies...i cant wait till all the menial labour is outsourced to india so that these hillbillies who ruin our history are finally starved out of my country.

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Feed the Repubs to the Lions

3:19AM 3:19AM Dec 6th 2008

Oh, J.M..... you not only pick and choose your Bible versus, but you pick and choose your definitions, too. So, I QUOTE:

Main Entry: marriage !mar-ij
Pronunciation: \ ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij \
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
Results
1 a (1). 1 a (1) the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) . (2) the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage - same-sex marriage b. b the mutual relation of married persons wedlock c. c the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage

2. 2 an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected especially the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities

3. 3 an intimate or close union - the marriage of painting and poetry - J. T. Shawcross
............................................................ So, you see, dear dear dear J.M, you are just a wolf in sheeps clothing. Stop thinking you (and your kind) know or own God. You know nothing, and God knows YOU NOT, hater.

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J.M.

11:12PM 11:12PM Dec 6th 2008

Nice to receive your comment, Dom. Why all the underlying hostility? I don't have hostility, I just speek the truth. My dictionary quote came right out of Websters, the rest out of His word, the only personal comment was that He created that union to protect the family, which I still stand firm on.( it was a personal opinion that I believe is correct) Same sex couples can't propagate. Sheep in wolves clothing?
Things such as peace, patience and love come from God,
sorry Dom, I hate to disappoint you, I don't hate anyone, however, I would love to see everyone live their lives to the fullest, for good, not distruction.
Did you read the Revelation 22:14,15?
Try Genesis 2:21-24 there's more but reading the entire writing (the entire Bible) really brings it into perspective.
They aren't my words, they're His, read it for yourself
and I hope for you, the very best. JM

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mahalapril

1:57PM 1:57PM Dec 6th 2008

Why would the minority impose on the majority?These people know that gay and lesbian marriage will destroy the American family values and damage the future of our children and grandchildren and they are just doing this for their own selfish interests. Remember we are a democracy. We have given them civil unions.If we allow the marriage then next they will ask for people to be married with animals.They should make their own religion and get married there.

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bud

10:37AM 10:37AM Dec 7th 2008

a majority did not vote to give blacks civil rights. it ook l.b.j. to sign and unpopular bill. a majority did not vote to give women the right to vote, so i guess we should take away that right since you believe in a majority. anyone who voted against gay marriage for religious reasons is unamerican. americans believe in the separation of church and state. anyone who wants to mix religion in government should be made to live in the middle east for a year then report on how thats working. "the treaty of tripoli" defines the word "god" in governent documents as a unitarian god, specifically NOT a christian god, and most of our founding fathers were unitarian not christian. this treaty was approved unanimously by the congress. this is the first time in history a constitution has been used to limit citizen's rights.

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bud

10:38AM 10:38AM Dec 7th 2008

how could gay marriage destroy american family values ? with over a 50% divorce rate, i would say heterosexuals have done that job already.

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jak

5:09PM 5:09PM Dec 6th 2008

We are suppose to love one another...fine but Homosexuals have confused love for physical sex and their vulgar world revolves entirely around this notion. It is not right, indecent, and should be shunned.

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J.M.

7:27PM 7:27PM Dec 7th 2008

Sorry Dom, the prior writing was to the post under yours. Here's a response for you :-)First off, I never said people following homosexual ways was vulgar. Loving the person on the inside, loving meaning desiring the best for, praying on the behalf of those in need,treating everyone with respect and desire all the wonderful things God wishes to give them. Helping in times of need.... all of these are demonstrations of love. I've known people who live that particular lifestyle and they were great hearted and very sweet people, it's God's job to judge, not ours, our job is to love and care for everyone and share the Good News. If I happen to quote something you don't agree with, if you have a Bible, look things up to see what's said, if you don't, get one of the "One Year" versions, you can read through the entire book in a year. He reveals things as you read, try it.
None of us knows the mind of God, that's one reason He's the judge, HE DOES KNOW IT ALL. He is true and impartial, and He is love. I'll be up for a while should you write back. JM

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9:44PM 9:44PM Dec 7th 2008

You ask what Jesus would say? He already said it in Romans 1. If these vocal groups are allowed to overturn the will of the people then I guess the rest of us should scream everytime an issue comes up that we sdisagree with and try to have it overturned.

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Michael Bellis

7:07AM 7:07AM Dec 7th 2008

I am Michael Bellis,and together with my son ,Ryan,we are the heart and soul of the Christian rock band,'SURRENDER'.I,the dad,am the singer/songwriter,and my 19 year old son,Ryan,is the lead/rythmn guitarist extraordinarre.We have given are lives to the LORD and make 0 apologies for our stance for the kingdom of Heaven,which is at hand.And the wicked do seek to take it by force,but greater is HE that is in WE than he that is in the world.We will not waver,and we will contend for the faith !!!!!!My son and I have a song titled,"Livin Outside of GOD"S Word".It is our testament from the word of GOD that judgement will be passed upon all the disobedient who refuse to heed HIS word and repent from the sin at hand.Listen to the song.It will be your anthemn against those who continue to live outside of GOD"S word.I could tell the ungodly to read the first to chapters of the book of Roman's,but obviously because of the lifestyle they CHOOSE to live,they wouldn't listen anyway.That is why GOD has enabled my 19 year old son and this 50 year old dad to express the truth through song.The BIBLE does not water it down,and neither do WE.To GOD be all the glory,in Jesus Christ's holy name,Amen.If you would like a copy of the song,"Livin' Outside of GOD"S Word",and three other additional songs with that that song,please requestit by my e-mail(mbellis02@yahoo.com),or send me a request through my P.O. box (Michael Bellis Post Office Box 1001 Monterey,Tennessee 38574. We will immediately mail you a copy.After listening,please send me your thoughts about what you have heard.I will also try to include the words for each song.With GOD'S grace and supply upon us,Prayerfully WE WILL be going into the studio to record an album.Remember,CHRIST did not come to bring peace,but division(a sword).To the enemy I say gird yourself.The time has come.God Bless all those in CHRIST JESUS,and may GOD save the rest. Sincerely , Michael Bellis SURRENDER

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Feed the Repubs to the Lions

8:12AM 8:12AM Dec 18th 2008

It's so easy for so-called "christains" to hide their utter hate for ALL of God's children behind bogus lies fed to them from a bigoted pulpit. Your "band" sounds like one of those pulpits. When Rev Wright said, "God Damn America" he was referring to haters such as yourselves that hide behind a cloak that does not belong to you. God knows you not. The Bible speaks to us about wolves such as yourselves. You cause destruction, hatred and condemnation that is not yours to right give but God's. So, may God damn you as well.

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Mike

9:52AM 9:52AM Dec 7th 2008

To you that think gay marriage is a civil right. Lets say a person wants to marry an goat or a dog or some other animal. Should we allow people to do that and have a judge say it is ok? How about people that want multiple wives? There are 50 year old people that would like to marry a 12 year old boy or girl. Should a judge say that is ok? The bottom line is you are either for or against things that are just plain wrong. I don't care which, but you need to pick a side. Its either all ok or its not. Which is it?

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DanDaily

10:24AM 10:24AM Dec 7th 2008

What's wrong, didn't "No Gay" day work?? Oh, sorry, I didn't even notice it...

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B. Ishler

1:28PM 1:28PM Dec 7th 2008

As an active member of the RC church and an heterosexual married over 40 years, I don't see why homosexuals in committed relationships threated family values any more than Guilliani or Gingrich who have multiple marriages. How about single parents who have children by multiple partners? Let homosexuals have civil marriages. Churches can make their own rules.

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mahalapril

4:39PM 4:39PM Dec 10th 2008

Bud-To tell you the truth I am atheist but I respect all the religions of the world except one. That is Islam. So why don't gays and lesbians get married in Iran or the safe havens in Pakistan. Remember all religions are supposed to be about love so don't be afraid to go there and get married.

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DD8V92

7:24PM 7:24PM Dec 16th 2008

I have some male friends that I have known for many years. We as friends have been through many of lifes struggles and have formed a bond, I can truthfully say That I love them, and would give them a kidney or take a bullet for them, but I dam sure don't want to bend them over or take warm showers together. There is a difference between Phileo love which is friendship love and Aros love which is sexual.

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Feed the Repubs to the Lions

8:18AM 8:18AM Dec 18th 2008

ct 9:44PM 9:44PM Dec 7th 2008 You ask what Jesus would say? He already said it in Romans 1. If these vocal groups are allowed to overturn the will of the people then I guess the rest of us should scream everytime an issue comes up that we sdisagree with and try to have it overturned.
...........************************************************** Yoou don't know your Bible at all. Jesus was LONG dead when Paul/Saul began work on the collections of writings that we regard as "Romans." And Romans speaks to a SELECT group of people as the letters are written DIRECTLY to the churches and speak to their situations at the particular time. Some of you people that preach on here should go and get a degree in theology before you start spouting your garbage. Pew Preachers. That is what we called you all in seminary.

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