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Obama Voters Are Stupid, Zogby Says
Voted for Obama? Betcha can't name which candidate previously quit a presidential campaign for plagiarizing a speech.
That's just one of twelve questions posed by Zogby International to 500+ Obama voters after the election, in an attempt to prove how little they know. Zogby was paid a "substantial" fee by a man named John Ziegler to conduct the poll, apparently to substantiate Ziegler's Election Day interviews with 12 Obama voters, some of whom didn't know who Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid was, and think the Republicans still control Congress (they don't).
Ziegler then pieced together this delightfully embarrassing segment:
The video is hosted at HowObamaGotElected.com -- another Ziegler creation, which I'm willing to bet was purchased before Election Day -- and helpfully "verified" by Zogby. The implication is that media bias emphasized coverage which was unflattering toward John McCain and Sarah Palin, while downplaying damaging storylines about Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
But why slant a poll and chop together what amounts to mild propaganda in order to prove such an easy assertion?
Zogby saw dollar signs, I'm guessing. His polls this year haven't been too reliable, as information-overload sites like fivethirtyeight.com (the most accurate predictor of this year's results) brought fresh insight to polling methodology. The Zeigler poll's predictable results are red meat for conservatives, and Zogby knew it.
Nate Silver, founder of fivethirtyeight.com, trashes the survey as a "push poll," and while I'm not sure that's the most precise characterization, it is inexcusable that the poll only quizzed Obama voters -- with only a few carefully-handpicked questions -- while claiming to be legitimate.
Both sides have uninformed voters; it's one of the certainties of political elections. By pushing a partisan storyline through such questionable means, however, Ziegler undermines the actual validity of his conclusions. Yes, the media was biased toward Obama:
- The Washington Post: Oops!
- Donations from journalists favored Obama 100-to-1
- Chris Matthews: "My job" is to make Obama presidency work
- Chris Matthews: "I felt this thrill going up my leg"
- Olbermann: "This [speech] ... is not the stuff of fiction. This is the real thing out here."
- MSNBC screenshot: "How many houses does Palin add to the ticket?"
- The New York Times
- Everyone
Why use sleight of hand when the facts work just fine?
That's just one of twelve questions posed by Zogby International to 500+ Obama voters after the election, in an attempt to prove how little they know. Zogby was paid a "substantial" fee by a man named John Ziegler to conduct the poll, apparently to substantiate Ziegler's Election Day interviews with 12 Obama voters, some of whom didn't know who Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid was, and think the Republicans still control Congress (they don't).
Ziegler then pieced together this delightfully embarrassing segment:
The video is hosted at HowObamaGotElected.com -- another Ziegler creation, which I'm willing to bet was purchased before Election Day -- and helpfully "verified" by Zogby. The implication is that media bias emphasized coverage which was unflattering toward John McCain and Sarah Palin, while downplaying damaging storylines about Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
But why slant a poll and chop together what amounts to mild propaganda in order to prove such an easy assertion?
Zogby saw dollar signs, I'm guessing. His polls this year haven't been too reliable, as information-overload sites like fivethirtyeight.com (the most accurate predictor of this year's results) brought fresh insight to polling methodology. The Zeigler poll's predictable results are red meat for conservatives, and Zogby knew it.
Nate Silver, founder of fivethirtyeight.com, trashes the survey as a "push poll," and while I'm not sure that's the most precise characterization, it is inexcusable that the poll only quizzed Obama voters -- with only a few carefully-handpicked questions -- while claiming to be legitimate.
Both sides have uninformed voters; it's one of the certainties of political elections. By pushing a partisan storyline through such questionable means, however, Ziegler undermines the actual validity of his conclusions. Yes, the media was biased toward Obama:
- The Washington Post: Oops!
- Donations from journalists favored Obama 100-to-1
- Chris Matthews: "My job" is to make Obama presidency work
- Chris Matthews: "I felt this thrill going up my leg"
- Olbermann: "This [speech] ... is not the stuff of fiction. This is the real thing out here."
- MSNBC screenshot: "How many houses does Palin add to the ticket?"
- The New York Times
- Everyone
Why use sleight of hand when the facts work just fine?
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Ed W.
12:32AM 12:32AM Nov 21st 2008
Josh should pay a visit to the AOL newboards sometime. He can see for himself how many GOP voters don't know how we got involved in a war with Germany in 1941, who was President when the first Americans soldier was killed in Vietnam after the French withdrawal, who don't know that Nixon was president when we left Vietnam to the comunists and who think that "then" and "than" are the same word. I've seen McCain supporters making ridiculous claims ranging from the Russians are sending a naval taskforce with 800 nuclear missiles to Venezuala to Bush armed Saddam to keep the Russians out of the Middle East (that boob apparently missed all of those MiG's, T-55's and T-72's in Saddam's army.). Believe me, the red states didn't get their reputation for being undereducated and backwards for nothing. To put it in Red Stateese, "Some people would rather be Republican then be stupid.".
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Chuck Thompson
4:32AM 4:32AM Nov 21st 2008
You are exactly correct.
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Nicole
6:47AM 6:47AM Nov 21st 2008
Obama votes "I'M Present"
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Matthew K Mason
7:45AM 7:45AM Nov 21st 2008
Matthew Zogby you are a crazy no good stupid dumb racist and don't have the common sense that GOD gave you. You are a stupid A_ _ _ hole dumb dumb. You need to look in the mirro at yourself. Noe smoke that doe doe
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Rodger
1:53PM 1:53PM Nov 22nd 2008
Well, to refute your "high thoughts" of the democRATs, lets examine how many of YOUR folks knew who Pelosi and Reid are, how many knew who Biden was, how many asked on the street knew anything other thAn Oslama who was in the democRATic arena. Lets talk about WWII and the FDR government not paying attention to teletype about Pearl Harbor. Lets talk about Kennedy being responsible for Vietnam and see who has lost more lives in wars, the democRATs or the RepubliCANs or in your case lets get the big chief tablets out with the crayons and draw red and blue so you can understand.
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a ames
8:47PM 8:47PM Nov 22nd 2008
Matthew Zogby, Some people don't know what to say out their biggggg mouth. If anybody stupid you are really the stupid one. Old folks use to say it takes one to know one. I assume you suppose to be superior then anyone else, I think not. So you are a Republican right, do not hate appreciate. It take all colors, of people to help to keep American going...remember were are one nations, one people... together striving for unity... So guess what pull your boot strap up because you going for a beautiful ride
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DG
9:55PM 9:55PM Nov 22nd 2008
Dear Mr. Ed W.,
"who don't know that Nixon was president when we left Vietnam to the comunists"
Sir, You have your history mixed up, Nixon had resigned from office (in 1974) before we left Vietnam. When we left Vietnam in 1975 Ford was President.
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Crandall
10:21PM 10:21PM Nov 22nd 2008
Ed W......I agree with you. I have seen more ignorant statements from the republican side.
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Ed W.
5:33AM 5:33AM Nov 23rd 2008
The first American troops to be killed Vietnam after the French left died during the Eisenhower administration. He called them advisors, but the Viet Cong didn't care about that any more than we'd care about what Russians might call any troops that they might ever send to intervene in any internal dispute here. As far as who got the most Americans killed in wars, Republican Abraham Lincoln alone beats all of the Democrats combined. Put those facts in your coloring book Fredo.
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John Hernandez
1:03AM 1:03AM Nov 30th 2008
I think most Democrats are completely missing the much bigger picture. Be it Republicans or Democrats, if our electorate is as uninformed as this Zogby poll has apparently scientifically proven, this country is in real trouble. An uninformed or an electorate that is not paying attention can easily be fooled and manipulated by our government, our media, or a hugely wealthy individual, who may control media. We the electorate need to hold government, media, and each other, to a higher standard. When 57 percent of Obama voters do not know who controls the House and the Senate, this is a simple question that every voter should know, there is a serious problem. Claiming the other side is just as stupid does not solve the problem. Admit this is a problem, and figure a way to educate your electorate.
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lolabull
5:32PM 5:32PM Dec 7th 2008
Well....I would rather be a combination of a redneck, a republican, AND a certified retard than to be a liberal. I wouldn't wish that curse on my worst enemy. It would be cruel and unusual punishment.
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Diane
1:16AM 1:16AM Dec 11th 2008
Psst. Ed W. Its 'Venezuela', not 'Venezuala.'
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Chuck Thompson
4:32AM 4:32AM Nov 21st 2008
I noticed no one asked Republicans the same questions. However, since most of them watch FAUX NEWS I'm sure they would know everything about Democrats. I assume you were trying to say Obama voters were dumber but it's really a wash.
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nos2001
5:01PM 5:01PM Nov 21st 2008
it really disturbs you leftwing loons that fox destroys the competition. fox news has more viewers than cnn and msnbc combined, america votes with their remotes and these loons can't stand it.
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Nicole
6:30AM 6:30AM Nov 21st 2008
Obviously, the ones who voted for this unknown are not to bright. the don't even know who he is. His platform, voting record, ties with terrorists, and anti American church where he attended for years just shows you that they have low IQ's. As a Chicago citizen, he spent his whole time in Senate campaigning while Chicago has beat out Detriot in Crime, he has done nothing for Chocago, what will he do for the county. Bills will come to his oval office and he will say "I'M PRESENT"
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Darryl
5:58PM 5:58PM Dec 16th 2008
INFORMED! who are we talking about SARA PALIN? and you nuts voted for her. Enough said, jacka$$es. I can see russia from my porch, what news articles did you read,, ahh ill have to get back to you or continents of the world DUHHHH. Go lay down. Shhhhhhhh tap a nap.
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Nicole
6:37AM 6:37AM Nov 21st 2008
Obviously, the ones who voted for this unknown are not to bright. the
don't even know who he is. His platform, voting record, ties with
terrorists, and anti American church where he attended for years just
shows you that they have low IQ's. As a Chicago citizen, he spent his
whole time in Senate campaigning while Chicago has beat out Detriot
in Crime, he has done nothing for Chocago, what will he do for the
county. Bills will come to his oval office and he will say "I'M
PRESENT"
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Nicole
6:46AM 6:46AM Nov 21st 2008
Obviously, the ones who voted for this unknown are not to bright. the
don't even know who he is. His platform, voting record, ties with
terrorists, and anti American church where he attended for years just
shows you that they have low IQ's. As a Chicago citizen, he spent his
whole time in Senate campaigning while Chicago has beat out Detriot
in Crime, he has done nothing for Chocago, what will he do for the
county. Bills will come to his oval office and he will say "I'M
PRESENT"
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Nicole
6:38AM 6:38AM Nov 21st 2008
Obviously, the ones who voted for this unknown are not to bright. the
don't even know who he is. His platform, voting record, ties with
terrorists, and anti American church where he attended for years just
shows you that they have low IQ's. As a Chicago citizen, he spent his
whole time in Senate campaigning while Chicago has beat out Detriot
in Crime, he has done nothing for Chicago, what will he do for the
county. Bills will come to his oval office and he will say "I'M
PRESENT"
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Matthew K Mason
7:47AM 7:47AM Nov 21st 2008
Zogby you are the stupid dumb fool coward a_ _ _. Look in the mirro at yourself dumb dumb
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